I Wrote Her, I Became Her: Danielle Amos on Self-Image and Money

Have you ever hit the goal and still felt broke inside? The income is good, the title looks right on paper, and something in you keeps whispering that there is more. This week, Ameera sits down with Danielle Amos, the Mystic Millionaire Mentor and one of Bob Proctor's direct protegees, who went from over $100,000 in debt to $100,000 months. When Bob asked her on stage what she did, she answered: I wrote her, I became her.

Danielle unpacks the difference between identity and self-image, why money carries the strongest childhood programming we inherit, and how to build a debt repayment plan you trust enough to stop checking your bank account on the hour. You will hear the physics exam story that redirected her life, the five dollar daisies she bought while becoming the woman who fills her home with lilies, and what to do when the people around you call your vision delusional. If you have read all the books and your results still have not moved, this conversation explains why.

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SPEAKER_00 0:52

Hello, everyone, and welcome back to the design life. Before I introduce you to our guest today, I actually want to ask you something. Have you ever looked at your life on paper and thought, this should be enough? The income is good. I have a great title, a great role at work, the bills are paid, but something inside of you keeps whispering that there is more. And then immediately another voice jumps in and says, Who do you think you are? If you've ever achieved the thing and still felt unfulfilled, or earned more than you ever thought possible and still felt broke inside. Today's conversation is going to change how you understand that pattern because it is a pattern, it has a name, and it can be changed. My guest today went from over $100,000 in debt to $100,000 months, not by working harder necessarily, but by transforming the woman she saw when she looked in the mirror. Danielle Amos is the mystic millionaire mentor, one of Bob Proctor's direct proteges, and the woman who, when Bob asked her on stage what she had done, said, I wrote her, I became her. Danielle, welcome to the design life. I'm so thrilled to have you here. And I would love for us to go back to a time that you have described before the stages and the podcast and who you are today. There was a girl who had a panic attack during a physics exam and walked out of the room. Can you tell us about that time in your life?

SPEAKER_02 2:22

Yeah. Oh my goodness. Well, first of all, thank you for that introduction. I'm like, wow, I like the sounds of that. Thank you. Oh my gosh. What a pleasure to be here. Going back to that day that I walked out of the physics exam, I was probably about 19 years old, second year of university, and I was at Queens in Kingston for life sciences, which is a pretty stressful curriculum, pre-med. And I had done everything right. Oh gosh, I can feel the emotions already coming. Like I had done everything, quote unquote, right to get myself there. I there's I almost had no business to be at Queens, to be honest. In grade 10, I had probably a 65, 70 average. And I went to my um, I went to my guidance counselor back then and said, you know, I want to be an eye doctor. How do I do that? And they're like, well, you got to get your grades up and you've got to get yourself to Waterloo. And then I decided to become a good student then. And from there, my like I started getting 80s, 90s. And my guidance counselor then said, Well, why don't you go to Queens? It's like one of the best schools. And I like the thought of that. Anyway, I get myself in, I had studied hard, like worked really hard. Like we're talking high school, pulling all nighters were like a norm for me. And I had no business being there because of my grades earlier in high school. I had no business being there because everyone, most people there drove outies, their parents' oudies. They are quite wealthy. And I showed up with my dad driving a Volkswagen rabbit with a hole in the carpet. Like we went over when we'd go over a puddle, there would be a fountain inside of our car. It was probably about 15 years old. And I had a mattress strapped to the top of my roof when I moved when he moved me in. It was so embarrassing. And in that physics exam, I knew that by walking out, I had no chance of graduating because it I was told like that exam would have given me a zero. And in life sciences, they cut the bottom part of the class. It's really competitive. But I completely freaked out. Like I locked out. I couldn't breathe. I had anxiety before, but never a panic attack like that. And I went to the health room and talked to a doctor, got a doctor's note, and they told me to take that to the professor. I didn't know what would happen next. And looking back, it's like so remarkable. And it's like an of course moment because that professor, she must have noticed me in class. I don't know how, but she's like, Danielle, you know this information, and I'm going to prove it to you with your permission. Can I put you in a trance, like a trance or a meditation? I don't even know if she used that word, but she asked for my permission to do breathing. And I listened to her voice. I followed her voice. And she relaxed me and then she started asking me the exam questions. And I ended up getting 97% on that exam. Oh my goodness. That's all verbal. Yeah, and not even knowing I was going in to write the exam. And it like I got shivers telling you this. She then said, Have you meditated much? And I said, No. She's like, I think you should go see the Buddhism professor and go learn about meditation. And now this is like 1996. Okay, so what's crazy about that too? So I go follow and did what she said. But in my high school days, I it when I was about 17, I came home late from a party once. It was like 1 a.m. and I turned on the TV and it was the Doors movie. And in that movie, he's like into things like meditation, like the Jim Morrison is. And there's a scene with a shaman in the desert singing a song. I watched that movie. It was I watched to the end and I remember that scene. I could hum that without knowing it. I could hum it. Like it was like so familiar to me. And so in high school, I started becoming really interested in Buddhism and other philosophies. And it started with that Doris movie. So then I go to the Buddhism professor at Queen's and I told her why I'm there. And she then gives me a few books to read and recommends that I join her her course, and I which I did, wrote a story on the Dalai Lama, like a paper on the Dalai Lama, the Four Noble Truths, and decided from there that I needed to go meet him. And so I requested an audience from the Dalai Lama and was traveling to India two and a half years later from that. So as soon as I graduated from Queens, I went to India and to Nepal. And, you know, the rest is history because so much of what I do today is based on that experience.

SPEAKER_00 7:05

That is such a beautiful and touching story. And yes, proof that sometimes in a really challenging and I'm sure what was a scary moment for you, it was serendipitous that this professor led you down a path that has literally has changed your life, I imagine.

SPEAKER_02 7:24

Yeah. And like looking back and going, okay, from what I now, what I teach and how I help clients to understand that my subconscious mind always knew the answers, and so does yours, so does mine. For so many reasons, we have the information. I could have been like someone like Einstein who connected to Source to get the information. I don't believe that's what happened. I believe I studied and she accessed what was there. And it's so relevant to what I do today.

SPEAKER_00 7:54

That's incredible. Thank you so much for sharing a bit of your story and telling us who you were then. You've shared that you have been over $100,000 in debt, dreading emails from the bank and moving money from credit card to credit card. I resonate so much with that part of your story because I was also in a similar situation just a few years ago, not even that long ago. So I really can appreciate how stressful that can be. I wanted to understand from you what did that version of you believe about herself and about money?

SPEAKER_02 8:31

Yeah. It's interesting. I just, Amira, I was watching your socials and I saw your story about uh about getting your credit card at university. And it's like how the patterns of money they stay with us no matter what. And so this question's really important for our listeners because when I was $100,000 in debt, I was so full of shame in my body about money. And that stayed with me for years after, to your point. I was embarrassed to talk about it. I didn't understand it. It felt in my early years that money was easy to earn because I was in the restaurant business and I was in hospitality. And then I went and worked in Japan. And it seemed like I always had this cash, but I had this habit of earning it and blowing it. And I don't believe that that's what I did to get into debt. I made some decisions that were risky from the outside world viewpoint. And I think I bought into the risk. I think if I had a really good pair of earmuffs and made the decisions I made and continued, at that time I would have worked really hard to make it happen, but if I continued to really believe in my investments, I don't, I think I probably would have been in some debt, but not as much debt, and I probably would have got out of it a lot faster. I had a lot of naysayers around me at that time and really calling out what I was doing as irresponsible. And I think eventually it just got in there. And so it was. And then on top of that, I believed that in order to be successful, I had to work hard and I didn't have time to work hard. And the days that I was working after work on my side hustle, I would get guilt tripped that I wasn't a good mom or with my family. So I ended up doing what I thought was a really good idea at the time, and I quit my job, which was a high-paying job, about $75,000 a year. And um, but my expenses didn't go away. And so then the debt started racking up fast, right? I was freaking out. I I would tell myself that I was in network marketing at the time, and my self-image at that time was like, you are irresponsible. You, you are not a good leader. Um, I was then told I wasn't a good mother. So it was really bad. And the only way I could sleep at night was by drinking alcohol. I, it was like my coping mechanism and that piled on more shame. And then I get in fights with my then husband, piled on more shame. My daughter would hear that had me feel awful. Like it just was not a good time. Not a good time.

unknown 11:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:35

Thank you for sharing that. I think a lot of our listeners are nodding right now because they are perhaps living paycheck to paycheck, trying to figure out how to pay off a credit card or a loan or how to get ahead in a world that feels a little small for them financially. So I appreciate you sharing that story. And I'd love to understand what moved you from that particular circumstance to where you are today. Can you tell us what has shifted for you?

SPEAKER_02 12:02

Yeah, again, I just got full body chills. So I think sometimes we've got to get ourselves to a point. I don't know that we have to, but for me, it's been a really good place to be where there's no place to go but up. Like I hit rock bottom. And so I remember particularly this one day, it was probably like a Saturday or Sunday afternoon. My husband and I are fighting in the kitchen about money. He's telling me how irresponsible I was. And I just drop to the floor and I start crying. And in that moment, I heard a voice that said to me, if it it's meant to be, it's up to me. And that was a network marketing saying that I had heard before. So it wasn't like new to me to say that to myself or to hear that voice. But it landed differently in that moment. And I thought, hmm, wait a minute. I'm sitting there, I'm crying. I've got all these excuses as to why my network marketing business isn't working. Like my husband doesn't support me, uh, my friends don't support me, the economy's not good. And I was in some ways expecting my husband to win at his career. He was an actor. And I was assuming that he'd be the reason why we'd walk the red carpet and he'd be the reason why XYZ. And when I heard that voice in that moment, I was like, oh my gosh, I've got to get myself up and stop being the victim. And so, with everything I had, it was like this like effort moment. And it's got like I've got to draw a line in the sand. And it was like I found this oomph power. And the only thing that I can explain was that it got so bad that I finally had to do something about it. Before then, it was like I always had a back door, even though I didn't. Like we were using credit card to credit card. We were almost going to lose the condo, but I still it was still wasn't enough for me to take responsibility. Because it's still like I still had a little bit of wiggle room. Yes. I'd sell, I'd sell clothing or I'd do something, you know. I still was resourceful. And I think that was part of my paradigm of programming too, is that I'm really resourceful.

unknown 14:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

And so then I kid you not, it was probably like two weeks later. My mom drags me to a Bob Proctor seminar. I tell me, come hear this guy, like you're miserable. It's gonna help you. And I'm like, mom, I'm not driving to Guelph. I didn't even have enough money for the parking meter at the hotel in Guelph to get myself there. Like, I'm scrounging for change. And she takes me to the seminar. I'm at the back of the room with my hands crossed because he's reading Think and Girl Rich. And I said to my mom, I've read this a million times. I know it. Well, here's the thing that's true for a lot of us and probably a lot of the listeners. We read all the books, we go to the seminars, we we do the things, but yet it doesn't show up in our results. Why not? Because it's not embodied, it's not actually something you're in praxis with, that you are you're not actually living it. You know it consciously, intellectually, but it's not embodied. And that was me. I knew all the things. I could rhyme them off kind of arrogantly, too, by the way. You know, and Bob Proctor said something from stage. He said, Your way's not working, your results always tell the truth. Why not try mine? And it was like a pit in the stomach. And I knew he knew what he was talking about. So, what did I do? I borrowed three credit cards and I joined his course. My husband at that point was like losing his mind. But I I felt like I didn't have a choice. It was the best decision I ever made.

SPEAKER_01 15:35

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

It's those pivotal moments and they they appear as if out of nowhere, but it's it's really divinely timed that your mom invited you to this event. I have a deep connection with Bob Proctor's work because when my family was in the events business and The Secret came out, we actually produced a live event and Bob Proctor came and spoke at all of these events. I think I was in my like early 20s, mid-20s. And to your point, absorbing everything, I knew a lot of information, but you're absolutely right. If you don't integrate it, if you don't live it and practice it, it's just like water off the back, right? You're just you're just full of great information.

SPEAKER_02 16:19

That's so cool.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Yeah. How amazing is that? Yeah. And an incredible man. I know a lot of lives changed by his work. I know that there was something he said, and I think you shared it before, where he talked about how you'll never outperform your self-image. So I'd love to understand from you what is self-image actually and how is it different from identity? Because I know sometimes we conflate the two. So how do you differentiate the two?

SPEAKER_02 16:48

Yeah, I love this question. And I it's not one that I go into a lot because people do interchange and I do as well, just because I think identity is more marketable in a way. Everyone's talking about it, but they are different. Your self-image is deeper, it's part of your subconscious mind, it's part of the paradigm that was programmed into you from when you were a kid up until the age of seven. You don't have a conscious mind, and everything around you goes into your subconscious mind to create your beliefs around everything. So one of those, one of the parts of that paradigm is that self-image. And your self-image is the way that you view yourself and the way that you believe others to view you. And there's two parts to the self-image. We have an inner image in our subconscious mind, but we also have an outer self-image, which is the way we portray ourselves to the world. Now, for a lot of people, they can appear confident. So they have a positive self-image on the outside. They dress the part, but inside they're still beating themselves up. They have a poor self-image. So the results will ultimately be a reflection of the inner self-image. So then identity is different. Our identity is like the hats we wear. So I identify as a mother. I uh have an identity as a CEO. And within each identity has its own self-image. So my self-image as a mother. So this is the way I view myself as a mother. This is the way I view myself as a CEO. And so then we bring all of those self-images together to create an overall self-image for ourselves. But it's each identity actually has its own self-image because you can operate in one way, you can be successful in business, but maybe not successful as a mom, you know? So they actually do differ.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

That is powerful. And thank you for differentiating the two because in the design life, we talk about designing success in each archetype. I appreciate you differentiating between the two and how important it is to understand that they all come together to form your full self-image.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

Yeah. And here's the thing like that we forget that we get to actually have it all. So I get to be successful in the boardroom and at home. We don't have to sacrifice one for the other. That's just a belief that we believed a long time ago that actually isn't true.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

I agree wholeheartedly. So if you're listening to this episode and you've set a goal for yourself or you have big ambitions in different parts of your life, but you have maybe self-sabotaged or procrastinated right before that finish line, it's not necessarily a discipline problem. It could be this self-image and that your subconscious is pulling you back.

SPEAKER_02 19:29

And it's not even who you believe consciously, right? So you might consciously believe that you can achieve that goal and get to the finish line so you can say it, but deep in your subconscious mind, you don't believe it. And ultimately the result you get will be a reflection of what's in that subconscious mind.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

Here's a question I keep circling because it comes up often in conversations. Why is money the thing that people find hardest to believe is abundant? People believe in infinite love and infinite ideas and creativity and the infinity of our soul. And yet with money, we somehow think it's this fixed amount. And if someone's getting more, that means there's less for me. Where does that come from, in your opinion?

SPEAKER_02 20:12

What a great question. I well, I think money is a really funny thing, isn't it? Because, and people do get funny when they talk about it. Yeah. It's all in society, and I think it's not a mistake that we believe, like the masses believe what they do about money. It's like, why not put the very thing out in the open and tell us that it's the root of all evil, that it's hard to earn, and and give us this whole story about it, but put it right there so it's something that we use every single day. Because think about it, if humans understood the reality that abundance is their birthright and money and wealth is their actually natural state, just like health is their natural state, we'd be really hard to control. There'd be a whole lot. So I think that there's a whole lot of reasons why we believe what we believe about money. There's no mistake. But here's the thing most of the beliefs you have and that the average person has about money are actually not true. So we believe that money is the root of all evil. Well, it's not true. Money is actually really good. Money magnifies the human. And most of us, and definitely all of your listeners, are good people. So it money actually magnifies the truth of who you are. Danielle with more money means Danielle invests in the local women's shelter. Danielle invests in the local food bank more. She invests in her family because this is what I already do. Love, I just do more of it with more money. And the same is true for each person who's listening to this call. So money is actually good. It's not evil at all. It's a medium of exchange. So it's actually not good or bad, but it allows us to invest in the things that are important to us. I find it interesting. I think that we can go like down a bunch of different ways to talk about why we were programmed this way to believe it.

SPEAKER_00 22:09

I agree. I believe that it's rooted in us from a young age. I remember my mom stressing about money and hearing those limiting stories, those limiting sayings about money. So it always felt restrictive and tight. And then there was the pattern of receiving it and being spent really quickly. So it was it was never a steady thing. And every expense carried weight and stress. It was like, oh, the bill has come. There was a shift in the energy of the room. And so when you grow up with that, I imagine your subconscious is picking up all of all of those stories.

SPEAKER_02 22:44

Well, yeah. And if you think about it, if each person listening right now thinks back to when they were a kid about money, first of all, your parents and caregivers would have talked about it a lot because it's present a lot in our life. We can't get away from interacting with money on any day. We pay for lunch, we pay for groceries, you know, rent. And two, it's emotional because of the way we were programmed. So To your point, it's hard. So here's the thing: the events when we were a child that carried the most emotion and the most repetition are what created the stronger paradigms in our subconscious mind. And so money is one of them. We heard about it a lot and it carried a lot of emotions. So our paradigm around money for the masses, 97% of the population, maybe even more, is we developed a scarcity programming around money. And it's a strong one because of the emotion and the repetition. We had no choice but to grow up as adults with a scarcity mindset because our parents couldn't give us what they didn't have.

SPEAKER_00 24:01

That's so true. That's why I love the work that you're doing because you're offering people another path forward. And they get to now create a new story for their children or their partners as they move forward. So I want to circle back to your moment where you signed up with Bob Proctor, your $100,000 in debt. How did you make such a quick transformation? Can you take us to that moment?

SPEAKER_02 24:30

Yeah, so it was really cool, actually. There were a few of us on stage and we were being acknowledged in Bob Proctor's organization. So this is, I first became a client and I tripled my income in six months. And then from there I knew that I needed to coach and help other people with this work because it felt like magic because I had been struggling for years. And so it was like, okay, wait a minute. Like, what's happened here? Because I'm now working less and I've tripled my income. So I decided to become a coach and a consultant, went back and got that certification. And then this is sometime after I was being recognized as part of Bob's inner circle. So he took the top consultants and he would mentor us directly. And so he had us on stage and he said, Danielle, what did you do? And here's the thing: if you look back at pictures from the time from when I said yes to the time I was on stage, I look like a totally different human. Like I you could tell I was stressed in those earlier pictures. I look older than what I do now. And it was what, like uh over 11 years ago, and really visibly stressed. And so then, you know, a year or so had gone by, and he asked me, and I said, the the words that you mentioned at the beginning of the podcast, I said, I well, Bob, like I was like kind of confused because I'm like, I'm just doing what you told me to do. I said, I wrote her and I became her. He stopped, the whole room stopped because they hadn't heard it said like that. But a big part of his teachings are one, to take radical responsibility, two, to understand that if you can see it in your mind, you can hold it in your hand. And three, was on self-image. So it's not what you're doing, it's who you are being when you do it. And I had to transform my beingess. I had to transform who how my self-image, how I viewed myself while I was taking action. I followed his coaching and I literally wrote out a new version of me as if it was a character in a movie that I got to create. And at that point, I had no idea that we create our character, like we're the producer, the writer, and the main character of our own movie. I had no idea about that. I just really took the coaching and then I literally became her. And I didn't really know what that meant at the time. Now we've got words for it like embodiment and things like that. But literally, I was treating it as if I was an actor. Got a script for a character, and I had to become that character. Now, here's the also a cool synchronicity is my ex-husband is an actor. We had been together at that point probably for a decade, and I had watched him become characters. So I kind of had this insider knowledge of how an actor becomes a character. And when I was interviewed on stage, my life had changed so much, so much. Like, went from being in debt to like $100,000 months to clients coming easily. Like my relationship at that time was working. I it was like magic sauce. What has to happen, right? Because our 3D world has to adapt to the person that we're being. It has to transform around us. And it was like one day I woke up and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm in a whole new world. It felt incredible.

SPEAKER_00 27:34

Was there a moment where you noticed it was happening? Because I know a lot of times people will take the action, they'll they'll believe, they will change their inner narrative, and they're sitting there going, when do things start happening? So you mentioned this happened fairly quickly when you started working with Bob. You were starting to change your income pretty rapidly. Was there something specific that was happening when you were manifesting these new results? And when did you first notice it?

SPEAKER_02 28:07

Yeah, so yes and no. So, yes, the first thing I noticed, it was about three weeks into the program I was a client, and I got a phone call from my network marketing company asking me to train other network marketers in the company. This baffled me because I didn't really have results yet and I had no idea how like I thought it was a joke, and I asked my coach and I was like, okay, this is so weird. I wrote on my card that I want to be a speaker and for the company, and they just called, but I have no reason for them to call me. Like my results aren't haven't changed. And he's like, Well, this is how it works. You wrote it on the card and you start attracting. And so I started obviously becoming a match for that, but I it wasn't conscious, like it was just through the work and the repetition of this idea. So that was the first thing that happened. That was three weeks in, no money, nothing, no clients. And this would have been June and then August. I spoke for the company. So I would get these little like links from the universe that things were happening, and not necessarily what I think most people expect. Like I have a client where that could happen to, and she'd be like, Yeah, but it's not the money. And so this is what I find to be what holds people up is that they they focus on the fact that it's not there or like you're expecting the results to come a certain way. And the how isn't up to you. The how is up to God. You stay in the energy, you constantly become the version of you. You clean up the energy, you pay attention to what's going on in your mind and and how you feel, and then trust the opportunities that come. And sometimes the opportunities look like they're obstacles, you know, when you first attract them. And it's how we respond to them that dictates what comes next. So, yes, I had these little wings from the universe, and I had to choose to believe that they were winks from the me from the universe. I had to notice the coincidences and make big deals out of them, whereas I think the average person maybe overlooks them.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

So interesting. So you said something here where it might appear as an obstacle. And most people are not going to lean into an obstacle. They're going to go on the other side.

SPEAKER_02 30:28

Yeah, what a great question. So, something early on that I learned from Bob Proctor was that um the whole purpose of a goal or a vision or wanting more is to grow. And we don't grow when things are easy, not very much. So if I want to get from here to here in my income, let's say 10x my income, there's a significant amount of growth that has to happen within me. Talents, abilities, skills need to be developed that I currently don't have. If I keep doing what I'm doing, getting the results I'm getting, there's not a whole lot of growth to that. It's not until I face an obstacle that the most growth happens. I'm forced to grow. And so he would say things like, Yeah, I know you want your life to be like sunshine and roses and drinking margaritas on the beach, but like, how much growth is that? That's going to take a long time for you to get your goal because there's not a whole lot of growth. So we were encouraged to recognize when things felt challenging and to lean in and to not see it as a problem, not see it as an obstacle, but an opportunity. And the faster we could find the lesson and grow and develop the skill, the faster we'd be on the other side and then receive the reward from that growth. And so my goals were it felt big. Like I had this debt. I at the time my first goal was $10,000 a month and then 25 and then 100. And I really wanted that. And so it was like every obstacle, I was like, bring it, let's learn as fast as I can, because that means I'm I'm achieving this goal faster.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

Yeah. That's such a beautiful reframe of an obstacle. It's the opportunity to grow and learn, and it's necessary for you to get to your next level.

SPEAKER_02 32:20

I want to like bring up law of opposites too. I didn't know this at the time, but a a lot of um it's important to understand the laws to also make sense of it. When we first desire something, quote unquote, big, like more money. If the moment I desire and put the desire into the universe and become emotionally involved into it, it's like I plant a seed. And so, what's more money though? The universe or God has to create context for me to understand what more is. So that more feelings prosperity, abundance, maybe freedom, safety with money. Well, it's got to create the opposite of that to create the container for me to have more. So, by law, the law of opposites has got to show up. So as soon as I have that desire, there has to be a reason for me to feel scarcity because I feel want the prosperity. So oftentimes what a person does is they mistake that attraction of the thing that has them feel scarce as it's not working. Look, I'm going for $100,000 a month, but I just received this tax bill. It must not be working. No, it's actually working. This, you've got to feel what it feels like to have the opposite of prosperity to create the container. You got to be able to hold minus $100,000 and plus $100,000, or you can't have you can't have one without the other. And so if you respond with the knowledge and the awareness, and then this is like layered now with this idea of leaning into the obstacle, learn what you've got to learn, you're you're gonna just like quantum leap in your results because now it's no problem. You can you can hold the lack of the money, which means you can hold the abundance of the money.

SPEAKER_00 34:02

And at that time you had already proven that you could hold the lack of the money. And so now you're doing everything that you are being taught to attract the the circumstance of positive $100,000 months.

SPEAKER_02 34:16

Yeah, you got it. And so then the lack of it isn't a problem. It's like when we make it a problem. Here's the thing, we can do it in so many, so many ways. Like through this is why often I encourage clients to make a quote unquote scary or risky investment in themselves. If you desire it, it's not like you don't do it to get, but do it if you desire it, because you are right there are having to navigate the feeling of like the what if the lack of it. When you do that, it and while you're educated being educated and held in the goal-achieved self, it can create a massive quantum leap for clients.

SPEAKER_00 34:58

It's so true. Cause in that leap, in that risky investment, what feels risky, you're actually becoming someone different. Like you have to stand differently to be able to hold that. So for the woman who's listening right now and who's maybe stuck in debt and no idea ahead, what's the worst thing she can do? What should she not do right now?

SPEAKER_02 35:20

Ooh, what a great question. I would say continue to hang around other people that are in debt, you know, maybe insensitive as that sounds. You've got to put yourself in different rooms. You become like the people you hang around and put earmuffs on. I got a pair on my desk, you can borrow, put earmuffs on and like close your mind to those people. You're gonna need to think differently. And then what to do would be to take responsibility for those debts and create a debt repayment plan. And what I mean by that is create a plan that where on paper where you can see your debts being paid off completely. I don't care if it takes you a hundred years, just get it on paper and do it percentage-wise. So I have $20,000 on a credit card. I'm gonna pay 5% of this income towards that. And here's the thing you can start believing that your income increases, you're gonna see that debt get paid off. Then don't pay attention to your debt. Don't look at your bank account every single day, every hour. It should not be the first thing that you do. You have a memory, you remember what your bank account's at. You don't have to micromanage it and check it every second. Let it go and focus instead on attracting money to you. Stop thinking about debt, stop focusing out debt. You have your repayment plan, you can see it's gonna take you on when I first did mine, it said 70 years to pay off my debt. Seven zero. And I could see it on paper, but I knew that was also not true because I knew if I kept focus on money and making money and and attracting money, the percentage was gonna go up. So those 70 years was going to become a lot. Then I take responsibility, I don't need to worry about it anymore, and my focus goes over here.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

So powerful because what you focus on is what you get. Totally. And and I love that there's still strategy there, like there's a pragmatism there in that you can't just ignore it and say there's no debt. Like it's there, but you also don't want to focus on it. You want to make a plan that's responsible. I love the percentage because percentages compound over time, percentages increase as your income increases. So that's a beautiful way to set yourself up for success.

SPEAKER_02 37:32

Yeah. And I would say like reframe what you make debt mean. Most people make debt mean that you're a bad person or you're irresponsible and it's bad, but it's not bad. Debt is simply a decision to pay something off over time. So reframe how you think about debt. And other people around you, this is why you need earmuffs because they'll call you delusional or like don't listen to them. Here's the thing: I pretended my way to my first million. I pretended my way to my first million. Yeah, I had so many people making fun of me. Are you kidding? That didn't believe in me. I mean, where are they now? I had to put on earmuffs. How did you pretend your way to the first million? Well, I stopped paying attention to the debt that was in my account and I started acting, thinking, feeling, and acting like the woman that was earning $100,000 a month. I pretended I was her in the way that I spoke, in the way that I made decisions. Now, I didn't buy, I used to have this thing where I would say to myself, one day when you're a millionaire, your house is going to be filled with uh lilies. I love white lilies. I didn't go out and buy the lilies when I didn't have the money for the lilies, and I bought myself flowers. I would go to the market and buy $5 bouquets of daisies, pretending they were lilies, feeling like they were lilies, being in the joy and really acting from that goal-achieve self.

SPEAKER_00 38:58

That's so powerful because you're talking about embodiment. You're talking about being in the energy, the essence of that woman. And from there, she can only begin to attract exactly the physical manifestations of what you want.

SPEAKER_02 39:12

Yeah. And you know, there's like all this talk about like you can't fake it till you make it. You're not faking it. I think your subconscious mind knows if you're faking it, but like I was playing a role. And there's the truth about method acting. You can like look this up. You know, method actors, they become the character, and it's actually quite risky for them. And that's what I was doing. I mean, think about kids. My daughter used to believe she was a teacher and it and she'd come out with this character. Like, there was no way that I could tell her that she wasn't Mrs. whatever her name was. She had a new voice or whatever. Like if I told her that I was the crazy one. But somehow, as adults, this acting and using our imagination, we're taught to become more logical. But no, it's like bring back how you imagine as a child. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:05

Yeah. We're closer to our truer selves as children.

SPEAKER_02 40:08

And um, so it's a great book, actually. It's uh Stella Adler's The Art of Acting. She was an acting teacher and she taught that method of method acting. And it was a book that I studied like thanks to Bob. You know, we weren't trying to be actors, like I said, but it's like becoming.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

You mentioned this. A lot of people were unsupportive, non-supportive of your dreams and your aspirations. What happens to people around you when you start to change your self-image? Because in our experience, not everyone celebrates a woman who starts to rise. So how did you manage that in your life and stay the course?

SPEAKER_02 40:43

I wish it was different, you know. But the truth is when you start to change, it can become confronting to other people who aren't changing and who are settling in their life. And then they see that you're not settling. And it's hard, but what I realized for myself is that it wasn't my responsibility to do it for other people or to convince them that they could also have it too. And so I actually got this from listening to Abraham Hicks. They say oftentimes people will lower their vibration to get along with the people in their lives. But that doesn't serve us and it doesn't serve them. Instead, we got to stay on our high vibration, our high-flying disc. And if they're in resonance with that possibility, they'll rise to meet us and see the possibility. So continue to do your inner work, continue to desire all the things. And some people will vibrate out of your life through the law of vibration. And it's sad, but what I found was if I kept going like and being on that high vibration, some of those people that are meant to rise, they actually come back. I've had friends who have come back, family members who have come and said, you know what, like I didn't get it then and now I do. Can you show me? And then I have others that we're just not in harmony and I love them. And I don't really have to say a whole lot because the universe, we don't cross paths. Like the law of vibration takes them and they vibrate out. And then others I had to make some decisions and it took me a while. 18 years later, I've now divorced my husband. And that's not ideal. And I think it's important to put our own oxygen mask on first. I could have decided to lower my vibration to stay in the relationship or live my purpose. As it became clear after many years that it it was not an and situation.

SPEAKER_00 42:26

I'm sorry you had to walk through that season. It's difficult. There's grieving, right? In the the shedding of the layers of who we were. Yeah. As we become the next version.

SPEAKER_02 42:39

I love that. Like that word grief. I think maybe I at least haven't given myself enough permission for those seasons to grieve. And I think also grieve the vision that we saw, like the possibility. So I realized that I that was a big part. Like I had a vision for us. And I had to grieve that that life wasn't coming, it wasn't going to come into fruition. And like give ourselves space and grace. And at the same time, you know, at the same time, and this might seem harsh, but like I've got one life. One life. And I don't know about you, but like I can't I can't sacrifice that life. I just I I'm not willing.

SPEAKER_00 43:23

It's interesting because when I was studying design thinking, they teach you how to assign a problem, like to understand what a problem is. And there's such a thing called a gravity problem. And a gravity problem is gravity. Like you can't change it, it's just what it is. And I always thought my biggest gravity problem would be regret. Because you can't go back and change it, right? And so you have to live your try and to your point, whoever's meant to come along that journey with you will. They'll be there with you. So thank you for sharing, for sharing that. I think that's gonna help a lot of listeners who are afraid to step into their next best self because of fear of leaving someone behind or hurting someone.

SPEAKER_02 44:05

I want to just want to say I would go into the fear of like if you don't step into that power for yourself, I know it sucks and you can't guarantee anything. But go to your point, Amira, like at the end of your life, what regrets will you have if you don't do it? And for me, that outweighed every thousand percent.

SPEAKER_00 44:28

You've also said that we get to decide whether the journey is hard or easy. And I would love to push on that a little bit for the woman who's listening who's exhausted and maybe in a really hard season right now or in an environment that doesn't support that belief. Maybe she's got some people around her who just don't subscribe to that thinking. What do you actually mean by we get to decide if it's hard or easy? How do we do that?

SPEAKER_02 44:53

Yeah. So there's a great book, Victor Victor Frankel, Man's Search for Meaning. And in that book, he's uh in a concentration camp, and everything gets taken from him, his wife, his life's work, gets like burned in front of him, then they take his wedding ring, and he realizes that all these things came. Be going on outside of them that people can do whatever they want to him, but they do not control the one thing, and that's his thoughts. And that's where our power lies and where your free will lies. And so we make it hard or easy based on our perception. And Victor Francdo, like the worst things, torture, you know, happen to him, and yet he stays in this power, and when he gets out, he forgives them. So was it hard for him? Yeah, I'm not gonna say it wasn't hard, but we make it harder by the meaning we give it, the story we tell ourselves, the perception we choose to hold. And I'm not perfect. I'm as human as you, and like all of our listeners, like the woman that you described in the situation. And you have mental muscles that you probably weren't taught how to use, because we're not taught how to use them in school. And these mental muscles are your perception, your imagination, your intuition, your will, your memory. And you want to learn to use them to reframe, to use your words, America, reframe situations to change your perception so that you can lead with love and honesty and stay in your power so that you're not a victim to your circumstance. You either control the circumstance through your mental muscles and your perception, or it controls you, and both can't win.

SPEAKER_00 46:45

Perfectly sad. Thank you for sharing that. What does the designed life look for you today in this season of your life?

SPEAKER_02 46:53

Okay, so for me, I believe that we get to have it all. So I think of the pillars that are on my vision board and my health. I'm almost 50. So design life means I want I have this goal to like have the sexiest, haughty, hottest body of my life at 50. So health and then the relationship with my daughter, she's 16. And people told me that teenagers can be challenging, and I'm having like the best time. It's like the opposite of what people told me. So my design life includes like her and I being so super close where she can call me at any time and tell me absolutely everything, and that's incredible. And we have so much fun together, and then a conscious relationship. So attracting a man that I that is willing to lean in and create and become more conscious through our relationship and be totally in love and know what that feels like. And then money, infinite supply of money, and then that with time. So have that time freedom and then be surrounded by some people I love, my supportive team, my clients, travel with them. Gosh, I could like go on and on, but I'm not leaving anything off the table. Anything off the table. It's like I love it. You get the pen, right?

SPEAKER_00 48:12

We do. We get to write it, design it for ourselves. So beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 48:16

How can our listeners connect with you? The best way is through Instagram. So my handle is at the Danielle Amos, and it's me in there with the help of a little a few AI bots. And you can come in and they'll send you some love, some like free downloadables right away. And then I come in and will send you either a voice note or a text to welcome. And I love to riff with people and answer questions. So go find me there. I love that.

SPEAKER_00 48:47

We will link that in the show notes. And I want to say a heartfelt thank you. This has just been such a beautiful conversation that will stay with me and I'm sure all of our listeners. Remember that Danielle didn't just change her income. She changed her self image. She wrote the woman she wanted to become and then became her. Please send this to someone that you care about. Leave a review on the episode for Danielle. Thank you so much for being here.

SPEAKER_02 49:10

Thank you. Thank you to the listeners as well.